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More On Incredulity In Florida – Civility, Joe Wilson

September 13, 2009

I just wanted to add a few things to my blog of yesterday, “Incredulous in Florida”.

In my experience, Florida is a very polite place by and large.  (By Florida, I mean the central coast, which is the only part I know.)  (I also don’t mean Florida on the roadside, that is, Floridians when driving.)

My sense, having grown up in Maryland, is that this civility is really a Southern trait, not just Floridian.

The politeness, which seems to be paired with a kind of patience (or at least an absence of the headlong rush typical of New York), is a great boon to the older people who live here.  Clerks in stores, for example, wait without noticeable toe-tapping or audible sighs when older people rifle through purses and wallets at counters to count out exact change.  (I don’t mean disrespect to older people here—I do plenty of rifling through my own purse.  I just know that my parents, for example, one of whom has Parkinson’s disease, are much slower in the purse/wallet area than they used to be.)

Problems with this insistence on rules of politeness can arise.  Taking my parents as the example again, increasing deafness has sometimes led them to fail to hear or understand the cues for their side of the exchange.  This occasional (and always completely inadvertant) lapse has led to real misunderstandings, where because the rules weren’t deemed to be followed on both sides, blow-ups suddenly occurred:  hurricane roofers have walked irrevocably off jobs, (incompetent but available) replacement hurricane  contractors have huffed and puffed and found an excuse for not showing up weeks at a time, and hospital nurses have occasionally required long session sof placating.

Which brings up two things.  First, on the personal side, with respect to my conversation with my car service driver yesterday:  despite mentioning in my post (my) yelling, we both managed to keep things on a friendly (if sometimes incredulous) level.   I was conscious that I did not want to make the reputation of New York in Florida worse, and apologized repeatedly for my aggressive style of argument;  the car service guy graciously laughed and said it was the best ride he’d had in a long while.   (I’m sorry to say that I even wondered whether a heated argument between two strangers in the Northeast would have ended in as friendly and polite a fashion.)

On the political side, this backdrop of Southern civility, makes Joe Wilson’s shout of “you lie!” during Obama’s speech even more outrageous.   The guy simply decided that normal rules of civility, (rules that have probably drummed into him since birth, given that he is from South Carolina),  just didn’t apply in the case of Obama.    Pretty awful.

Incredulous In Florida

September 12, 2009

I am in Florida today which is an amazing change from downtown New York City.  For one thing, the 99% humidity rate is breathed rather than falling all around me.  Windows are shut tight, inside air is refrigerated and people stay in that air, by and large.  (At least, the only other people who stood or sat outside at the airport, where we waited for our car service, were smoking cigarettes.)

And then the guy who picked us up–a very nice, young, friendly, helpful guy, who really did not seem in any way a nut job (at least I didn’t worry that my life was in his hands as he drove us down A1A)–compared Obama’s proposals to those made by Hitler in Nazi Germany.  (Granted this was towards the very end of our ride.)

People in Florida are extremely nice, friendly, helpful.   This guy seemed another one of these nice, friendly, helpful types.

Who turned from the steering wheel to ask me whether I realized how much Obama’s civilian corp was like the S.S.

He was friendly enough to genuinely not mind our heated argument both before and after these comments.  He did not take offense at my use of expletives.

He talked about studying facts.  (I do not believe these included facts about Nazi Germany.)

He, like Joe Wilson, spoke of Obama as a liar.  When I asked him to give me an example of a lie, he couldn’t actually come up with one.  (I should have given him advanced notice he said.)  Finally, he said, well what about statements that the health care proposal would not cause cuts in Medicaid.  I said that Obama did talk about cutting waste in Medicaid.

Then he said, oh yeah, and what about Bill Ayers?

We both complained about the lack of personal responsibility in the culture.  I mentioned that Obama also stressed the importance of personal responsibility.

But he had a hard time hearing that, given Obama’s exchange with the Joe the Plumber.  He was very upset at the way that Joe the Plumber had been treated, by the way, which he seemed to view as treatment meted out by the Obama administration.   I mentioned that Joe the Plumber seemed to have landed a job as a news correspondent.

I do not want to make fun of the guy.  I liked him, even as I yelled at him  (in a motherly way).  And he, in a sheepish way, seemed to like me (though since I was also the paying customer, this is a bit hard to assess.)

But the experience genuinely shook me.   I had not realized how very far from home I’d come.